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Edward Elric vs. Tenkaichi Budokai
Topic Started: Dec 19 2016, 07:54 PM (1,090 Views)
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Edward has entered the Tenkaichi Budokai to see how far he's progressed as an alchemist. How far does he go?

22nd Budokai Tenkaichi

1. King Chappa
2. Chiaotzu
3. Yamcha
4. Krillin
5. Jackie Chun
6. Tien
7. Goku

23rd Tenkaichi Budokai

1. King Chappa
2. Chiaotzu
3. Yajirobe
4. Chi-Chi
5. Cyborg Tao
6. Yamcha
7. Krillin
8. Tien
9. Shen
10. Piccolo
11. Goku


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I've watched FMA recently but can't quite remember any feats from Edward that can honestly compare to Dragonballs power. Alchemy is certainly a strong weapon but against opponents who can speedblitz him and crush him?
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Yeah the speed is Edward's biggest issue. We all know Goku can disappear making it impossible for anyone except Tien being able to see him at the time. There's no way Edward would be able to counter that.
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But would Goku try and beat him instantly? If he doesn't Edward might surprise him with alchemy and defeat him.
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Dec 23 2016, 10:06 PM
But would Goku try and beat him instantly? If he doesn't Edward might surprise him with alchemy and defeat him.
Goku's pretty durable though. One alchemy attack isn't going to finish him off.
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True, and if Edward fails the first time I doubt Goku's dumb enough to not finish him.
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Goku's pretty durable though. One alchemy attack isn't going to finish him off.


Why wouldn't they? He has no defence against pure...scientific I guess? power.

Not that he'd definitely get to Goku anyway.


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Exhibit 1: Bacterian vs Krillin. Bacterian attacks Krillin immediately after the match starts.
Exhibit 2: Krillin vs Roshi. Krillin charges Roshi almost immediately after the match starts.
Exhibit 3: Goku vs Namu. Goku moves behind Namu and attacks immediately after the match starts.
Exhibit 4: Goku vs Roshi. Roshi charges Goku immediately after the match starts.
Exhibit 5: Manwolf vs Roshi. Manwolf charges Roshi immediately after the match starts.
Exhibit 6: Goku vs Tenshinhan. Goku charges Tenshinhan immediately after the match starts.


Key word here being charging there's no speed blitzing involved in most of them.
Wasn't it only when Krillin vs Roshi happened that people started noticing them completely disappearing?


If Edward can react to gunfire then the only thing they can do here is afterimage, they're not so fast that they'd be invisible Edward hardly has basic human reflexes.

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That said, Chappa is certainly arrogant enough to give Edward the first move, but I also don't think you're taking into account that Edward's actually primarily a physical figher, whose initial reaction to entering a fight will be attempting to punch his opponent.


Hard to say how he'd react to Chappa though, haven't watched the series in years but I'm sure if Edward had sufficient evidence that someone was strong and a martial arts master that he wouldn't just rush in to it like a fool.
Especially not if he gets a look at the training rooms and such rather than them all just instantly being in the ring, he'd see how strong people are if this functioned like the actual tournament.


Regardless you're underestimating Edward there, he has enough strength to punch through trees, stop that big giant in the RT from punching him and all those other strength feats.

If Chappa's letting him get the first hit in he stands a very good chance of winning when you consider how tough his automail is, undamaged by claws that can cut through iron.

It'd be unreasonable to say Chappa is so durable that the spike form Edward puts his arm in to would just snap like a toothpick if it hit him.
Especially not when it's carbonized to be as durable as Greed.


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I don't think Edward could do that, Scar's technique just breaks stuff, I don't think it's that controllable. If Edward could have done that, pretty sure he'd have done it in the series.


Well, it would be a hell of a big risk to use against anyone who's probably preparing alchemy to counter with wouldn't it? And it de-constructs rather than breaks so it'd be very effective in debilitating people. It's doubtful he would open with it of course but if he felt he needed it then it's a powerful technique to have, Scar was a monster.


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Once they're completely trapped, that might be true, but they could easily smash the rock while it's trying to trap them, they're fast enough to do so.

Well, Alchemy and Edward don't operate at the same speed so you can't really say for certain there. Plenty things in the series are constructed ridiculously fast and with great detail.
Would need to look more in to how that works since with things like that it's probably faster in the manga.

And even if you could reason that alchemy isn't uber fast what it lacks in speed it more than makes up for in AoE. Everyone here has to run at Edward full speed, instantly, to have a chance or else he can just turn the whole ring in to dense spikes or a giant fist.


These characters are no way so fast that Edward has absolutely no chance I don't see how one could reason that. There's no way they're like 10x faster than he can perceive for instance.
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Why wouldn't they? He has no defence against pure...scientific I guess? power.
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Because Edward's alchemy attacks tend to just be either spikes or blunt force, and both would be pretty ineffective against 22nd budokai character. The spikes would likely just break upon contact with people's bodies, though blunt force attacks might be able to throw people out of the arena.

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Key word here being charging there's no speed blitzing involved in most of them.
Wasn't it only when Krillin vs Roshi happened that people started noticing them completely disappearing?

If Edward can react to gunfire then the only thing they can do here is afterimage, they're not so fast that they'd be invisible Edward hardly has basic human reflexes.

Well, yeah, there's no speed blitzing involved because in most cases they're about the about the same speed. That said, they weren't actually holding back on their speed.

Krillin was moving fast enough that 21st budokai Roshi, who can casually grab bullets without any effort at all, was actually surprised by Krillin's speed, had to exert himself considerable and was actually put on the defensive for a bit. Also note that this was the 21st budokai, and that everyone Edward has to fight here are much faster than 21st budokai Krillin and Roshi.

Meanwhile, Goku did in fact use the afterimage technique when he attacked Namu, but though he might not have used his full speed against Tenshinhan (he was still fighting in Tournament Mode or whatever he called it), the speed he used should still be enough to blitz Edward.

As for Manwolf and Bacterian, they didn't blitz their opponents either, but that's because they physically inferior to those they were fighting and would get their asses handed to them by Edward, not because they weren't using their full speed.

Also, they are all fast enough that they'd be invisible to Edward. Edward's a bullet-timer, yes, though that's from scaling from Scar and Bradley, his performance against Father Cornello makes no sense (and by that I mean the feat literally doesn't make sense whether or not he's a bullet-timer or not, not that he can't be that fast). Problem is, 21st budokai Roshi, who, again, could casually catch gunfire with his hands, couldn't see post-Korin Goku using his full speed against Spike/Akkuman, and everyone here should be at least slightly faster than that Goku.

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Hard to say how he'd react to Chappa though, haven't watched the series in years but I'm sure if Edward had sufficient evidence that someone was strong and a martial arts master that he wouldn't just rush in to it like a fool.
Especially not if he gets a look at the training rooms and such rather than them all just instantly being in the ring, he'd see how strong people are if this functioned like the actual tournament.

If he just gets told that Chappa is strong and a martial arts master and doesn't get to see how strong he actually is, I think he'd still attempt to fight him in melee, given that he's one of the strongest melee combatants in his own series, and that melee combat is still his first option against physically powerful beings such as Chimeras and most Homunculi (and it usually works quite well for him).
If he gets to look at Chappa fight some random preliminary fighters, then he'll probably figure he needs to use alchemy, yeah, but in that case everyone here will see Edward use alchemy in the preliminaries too.

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Regardless you're underestimating Edward there, he has enough strength to punch through trees, stop that big giant in the RT from punching him and all those other strength feats.

If Chappa's letting him get the first hit in he stands a very good chance of winning when you consider how tough his automail is, undamaged by claws that can cut through iron.

I'm not underestimating Edward, you're underestimating Dragon Ball characters. Chapter 1 Goku could throw a car, and Yamcha could, in his first appearance, punch him through several stone pillars. Neither of those would be able to

As for Edward's automail being undamaged by claws that can cut through iron, BoDB Goku was able to tank both bullets and an axe (the axe actually broke when it hit him), and, if you think that's because he was a Saiyan, Bora was able to do the same, and everyone here is far stronger and tougher than Bora is.

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It'd be unreasonable to say Chappa is so durable that the spike form Edward puts his arm in to would just snap like a toothpick if it hit him.
Especially not when it's carbonized to be as durable as Greed.

Wait, when did Edward carbonize it? In his fight against Greed, he didn't alter his arm, he just unhardened Greed's armor/Ultimate Shield.

And no, I don't think it'd snap if it hit Chappa (since Edward's not strong enough to destroy his own automail), but that doesn't mean it'd penetrate either.

In addition, Chappa's going let Edward attack first, but that doesn't mean he'll let himself get hit (he does pride himself on having won the budokai without getting hit, after all).

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Well, it would be a hell of a big risk to use against anyone who's probably preparing alchemy to counter with wouldn't it? And it de-constructs rather than breaks so it'd be very effective in debilitating people. It's doubtful he would open with it of course but if he felt he needed it then it's a powerful technique to have, Scar was a monster.

It wouldn't be a big risk to use against anyone but Scar, actually. Remember, Edward's the only one who can use alchemy by clapping his hands, everyone else would have to make a transmutation circle in order to do so, and they wouldn't have time to do so against Edward. In addition, Edward doesn't do it when fighting human opponents who can't use alchemy either.

And yeah, Scar was a monster, but so was Bradley, who didn't have any alchemy at all. Alchemy isn't some instant-win button against people who don't have it.

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Well, Alchemy and Edward don't operate at the same speed so you can't really say for certain there. Plenty things in the series are constructed ridiculously fast and with great detail.
Would need to look more in to how that works since with things like that it's probably faster in the manga.

Lots of people who aren't as fast as Chappa (they're not faster, at least), such as Bradley or Scar, are able to dodge alchemy attacks. Heck, Bradley even cut Scar's alchemically manipulated stone into pieces.

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And even if you could reason that alchemy isn't uber fast what it lacks in speed it more than makes up for in AoE. Everyone here has to run at Edward full speed, instantly, to have a chance or else he can just turn the whole ring in to dense spikes or a giant fist.

If he turns the arena into a giant fist, his opponent will just jump on top of it (as Scar did), and normal spikes wouldn't be able to scratch his opponents.

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These characters are no way so fast that Edward has absolutely no chance I don't see how one could reason that. There's no way they're like 10x faster than he can perceive for instance.

Again, they should be faster than Bradley, who'd handily beat Edward.
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